ACLS Megacode Scenario 2 | ACLS-Algorithms.com

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  1. Lori1234 says

    In question #13, I was taught that the sequence is after shocking give med, shock-med, shock-med? Why are we to deliver another shock?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      When using the left branch of the cardiac arrest algorithm, epinephrine is given for the first time after the second shock.
      According to the American Heart Association ACLS cardiac arrest algorithm, there is no medication given after the first shock. After the first shock, you start CPR immediately.

      Many healthcare providers deviate from the American Heart Association recommendations and give epinephrine after the first shock. Remember, the American Heart Association guidelines are just guidelines and recommendations. Physicians can adjust their treatment based upon their own clinical judgment.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  2. chintharsam says

    I love these mega code scenarios!!!
    It’s a very good way to practice what I learnt from your site. I wish this type of learning is available on Healthstream in hospitals for nurses to practice their knowledge.

  3. Wajma says

    I am having a hard time with this senerio and the answers that are showing correct.
    My thoughts are if no BP and pulse is 25, start CPR…. Why is this not true???

    • Jeff with admin. says

      There are some that recommend starting CPR in such a case, however, the AHA recommendation for Bradycardia with a pulse does not include CPR. AHA does allow for health care providers to tailor the sequence of events to best suit the needs of the situation that is at hand. Therefore, a health care provider has the discretion to deviate from the algorithm. However, on this site, I try to stick directly with the algorithms so as not to confuse students who are preparing for the AHA ACLS Provider course. Kind regards, Jeff

  4. dawusa1 says

    Jeff,

    Regarding Question #6:
    Shouldn’t Epinephrine infusion dosing be weight-based?
    If this is true, then the correct answer for Question 6 would change.

    Deb Weaver

    • Jeff with admin. says

      See page 112 of the AHA ACLS provider manual. It states:
      “Begin epinephrine infusion at a dose of 2 to 10 mcg/min and titrate to the patient response.”
      The epinephrine infusion when used within the bradycardia algorithm is not eight based. Dopamine is weight based within the bradycardia algorithm.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  5. afrey says

    Hi, Question 17 the correct answer was amiodorone. Where do I find that in the text? The drugs listed in the algorithm on page 73 are epi, dopamine, norepi for hypotension <90 syst.
    Thanks 🙂

    • Jeff with admin. says

      The question reads: “You now consider maintenance antiarrhythmic therapy that can be started if any arrhythmias persist in the post arrest phase. Which is the best drug of choice in this scenario?”

      This question is regarding antiarrhythmic therapy not therapy to treat postarrest hypotension. The antiarrhythmic of choice during the post cardiac arrest phase is amiodarone.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  6. Ariel says

    Jeff, I have a concern about the medications. I’am nurse, and as a nurse we give medications to someone according to doctor’s order. During emergency, am I allowed or is it legal to order my teammate to give those emergency drugs during running megacodes since I’am certified ACLS?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You would not be giving anyone any orders as a registered nurse.
      There are many hospitals that have standing protocols that may be followed by nurses during code situations. It would depend upon the standing protocols that your hospital has. If your Hospital has a protocol that allows you to provide medications then you would be OK requesting that someone administer epinephrine. You would need to look in Standing orders or standard operating procedure for the specific place where you work.
      Remember however, the two most effective interventions that can be provided for cardiac arrest are high-quality chest compressions and early defibrillation. Both of these can be administered during a code blue by a registered nurse. Again, check with your standing orders or your hospital protocol to find out specific details about what you can do as a registered nurse out a physicians verbal order.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  7. mlevy says

    Jeff, so in these scenarios, a thready or weak pulse = a pulse, hence no CPR? Is that correct? Even if unable to get a blood pressure?
    Thanks mark

    • mlevy says

      let me modify the question: unresponsive and (very) bradycardia, but with a palpable jugular pulse = a pulse nonetheless, so the “C” of CAB is addressed, and it is on to airway. It that correct?
      mark

      • Jeff with admin. says

        Yes it would be a pulse, and the best course of action would be to treat this patient using the bradycardia algorithm which does not include CPR.

        In this case if you are performing the ACLS survey, you would use ABCD which is the acronym for the ACLS survey. Airway, breathing, circulation, differential diagnosis.

        CAB addresses the sequence of events for CPR. Chest compressions, airway, breathing.

        Kind regards,
        Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Yes, that is correct. A pulse = not pulseless and not in cardiac arrest. This criteria ensures that people are using the correct algorithm to treat a patient in an emergency. If you do not feel a pulse, and you have a bradycardia rhythm you are dealing with PEA if you feel a pulse at all then you are dealing with bradycardia.

      If you feel no pulse and the rhythm shows a very rapid rate you’re dealing with pulseless ventricular tachycardia which is treated using the cardiac arrest algorithm if you feel a pulse you will use the unstable tachycardia algorithm.

      In real life scenarios may not be so cut and dry and can be very fluid. You may be dealing with a patient that is deteriorating very rapidly and will soon be pulseless. In times like this, a team may to begin CPR while trying to determine causes or while they prepare to treat underlying causes. Remember the guidelines are simply guidelines and a healthcare team made diverge from the guidelines when necessary to ensure the best patient outcome.

      Kind regards,

      Jeff

  8. juddsont says

    In question 14 the answer is to give Epinephrine again. Why would you not give Amiodorone since your last med was already epinephrine?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      In the scenario (Scenario #2 Question 14), the rhythm had recently changed and treatment was started from the top of the left branch of the cardiac arrest algorithm. The first drug given in the pulseless arrest algorithm is 1mg epinephrine. When the rhythm changes during a code and a different algorithm/protocol is started, best practice is to start from the top of the algorithm.

      In this case since epinephrine had been administered during asystole, the physician may move right into the administration of amiodarone. This is ok since physicians may tailor interventions according to the situation and what they deem to be the best course f action.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  9. chenwenw says

    If there is no or poor perfusion, medication would not work. That is why we emphasis so much on 2 min cycle of CPR before you do anything. I disagree with your answer on this question 3. Please explain your logic. Thanks.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      The patient has a pulse and should be treated with the bradycardia algorithm. Poor perfusion does not mean no perfusion. The bradycardia algorithm does not contain chest compressions as an intervention for poor perfusion. The interventions would be atropine and then TCP (chemical/electrical). If the patient is or becomes pulseless then the cardiac arrest algorithm would be used. The algorithms are in place to guide best practice for cardiopulmonary resuscitation.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  10. dakota05 says

    Hi. In questions, I am confused when one uses the CAB’s of BLS vs. the ABC’s of ACLS vs. other management. In real life settings, it all just kind of takes place at once! For example, when finding someone unresponsive as in question 1. I had a hard time deciding which answer was the FIRST step. I was wanting to start with C (circulation) and establish IV access. Can you shed some light on how to best answer these questions?
    Thanks!

    • dakota05 says

      I apologize. I mixed up my CAB’s and ABC’s! With my earlier comment, I should have technically started with compressions from the CAB mneumonic. But still same basic question. When finding someone unresponsive, does one not start with BLS then advance to ACLS?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      The treatment sequence would call for BLS first and therefore you would perform the “C” of BLS first. You are correct that some of these interventions will occur rapidly from one to another and some simultaneously. However, the algorithm help guide the provider and not miss any critical interventions as they move forward.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      With unstable bradycardia, the perfusion is inadequate This is the definition of unstable bradycardia, and this is why you start treatment using the bradycardia algorithm. Some say that you should start chest compressions, and there is much debate over this issue and some providers choose to initiate chest compressions even with a weak bradycardic pulse present. This would be outside of the AHA ACLS guidelines at this time. According to the AHA ACLS bradycardia algorithm pacing would be the correct treatment.
      If a provider decides to give chest compressions this is their choice, but this is outside of the AHA ACLS Guidelines.

      In this situation, the most likely cause of the bradycardia is hypoxia. A correction in hypoxia and improved respiratory status could quickly correct this problem.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

      • Gtgeorgio says

        However, this patient is hemodynamically unstable. Bagging certainly does not seem like the most appropriate next step. What happened to atropine and getting transcutaneous pacing setup in case needed ? Certainly correcting hypoxia can help her since it is the underlying problem but that will take some time and won’t correct her hemodynamics quickly enough.

  11. Kat says

    For #11, please still not clear how to differentiate a fib from ventricular fib ( haven’t got to the rhythm review yet) . They look very similar to me. BTW, loving this site. Slowly but surely this is beginning to make sense to me. Yay!

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Atrial fibrillation will have a normal QRS complex. You will see no P waves and the rhythm will be irregular.

      Ventricular fibrillation on the other hand is completely different. You will see no organized rhythm, no QRS complex, no P-wave, nothing but a weird squiggly line. Also, your patient will be unresponsive, or he will be unresponsive within five seconds of entering this rhythm. Hope that helps.

      Make sure to review this section: Rhythms

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

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