2020 Bradycardia algorithm review | ACLS-Algorithms.com

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  1. Laura1 says

    I did my acl s and aced it but I do have a question. On the Brady algorithm it says epi and dopamine drips. When I did the megacode the instructor said after the atropine the next drug would be epi 1 mg,which makes sense but I went by the algorithm. Are both correct options?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Epinephrine 1 mg IV PUSH is not recommended within the bradycardia algorithm. I’m not sure why your instructor provided this information.

      However, when you mix an epinephrine drip it is typically mixed 1 mg in 500 ml of NS or D5W. Then the infusion should run at 2-10 micrograms/min (titrated to effect).

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

      • Laura1 says

        Ty. That’s what I thought,according to the algorithm but I wasn’t going to say otherwise since she ran the megacode.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You can and this would be under the discretion of the provider. It would be outside of following the AHA ACLS guidelines and you would want to have a clear and justifiable reason for pacing.

      There are other interventions that should be considered for asymptomatic bradycardia.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Symptoms related to AF are usually seen when the AF is present with a rapid ventricular rate. If a patient is symptomatic and profound bradycardia is present with an underlying AF then you would most likely treat with atropine initially. Most important would be to identify what is causing the bradycardia and treat that.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If you are alone at the bedside with an adult patient who has a palpable pulse of 13 bpm and is unconscious or unstable you should:

      1. Call for help and a defibrillator
      2. Open the airway/assist breathing
      3. Apply O2 (if available)
      4. Apply a cardiac monitor (if available)
      5. Give atropine (if available)
      6. Chest compressions are not part of the bradycardia algorithm, but with such profound bradycardia in an unconscious patient, chest compressions would be an acceptable alternative for improving blood perfusion. Until help arrives and other interventions can be provided.

      Make sure that you are searching for a cause of the bradycardia as well. H and T’s.

      Remember: AHA says: “The healthcare provider can tailor interventions to achieve the best outcome.”

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  2. Craig Di Leo says

    No Atropine for 2 degree type II and 3 degree Heart block. I don’t see this emphasized in the above algorithm.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      There is nothing in the algorithm that says atropine is not given for second-degree type II and 3rd° block.

      American Heart Association Guidelines say do not rely on atropine for the treatment of 2nd° block type II and 3rd° block. It is unlikely that 2nd° block and 3rd° block will be affected by the use of atropine.

      This is because atropine works at the level of the AV node and often times 2nd° block type II and 3rd° block originate below the level of the AV node.

      If a patient is not unstable (Poor perfusion) then atropine can be attempted in most cases of 2nd° black type II 3rd° block. Just realize that it may not work and transcutaneous pacing needs to be considered and prepared for.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Yes, the algorithm would be the same, but the hypothermia would be treated as one of the H of the H and T’s. It would be a given that the prime objective would be reversing the hypothermia in order to adequately treat the bradycardia.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  3. Talat Mahmood says

    A few questions. Please reply.
    1) when there is delay in TCP, Can we give adrenaline infusion in cases where atropine did not improve symptomatic bradycardia?
    2) If patient is deteriorating quickly and atropine did not work, can we give adrenaline as a slow bolus to terminate bradycardia to save the life of the patient?
    3) Is there a place for adrenaline after failure of response to atropine when TCP is available?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      1.) Yes
      2.) Give the epinephrine as in infusion. Following the bradycardia algorithm
      3.) if a patient remains hypotensive after the initiation of transcutaneous pacing, adrenaline (epinephrine) may be beneficial for improving hypotension.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  4. Rachel Jolokai says

    One box says new 2015 AHA standards say that dopamine and Epinephrine are equal alternatives to TCP. The next box then says TCP is the tx of choice for symp. Brady. So are they equally good or should you always pick TCP over the drugs if atropine fails?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      According to the American Heart Association guidelines, epinephrine and dopamine are considered equal alternatives to transcutaneous pacing. Any one of the above can be attempted with the same priority. If there is a lack of response with one, then another is attempted.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  5. Caren says

    Based on your experience with TCP, which pad placement provides more successful pacing, anterior-anterior or anterior-posterior? And at what mAh you usually achieve capture with your patients? Most defibs can go as high as 200 mAh but usually what is the common pacing threshold? Thanks!

    by the way this website is very helpful. thumbs up.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Healthy individuals will typically have a pacing threshold that is less than 80 mAh.

      I have always seen a high rate of success with anterior-posterior. The most important thing is that the pads are placed so that the heart is sandwiched directly between them.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  6. Nadav says

    Questions here,
    Let’s say I have bardycardic patient with signs of poor perfusion.

    1. Why not always use TCP? Isn’t it the safest and most reliable way to control bradycardia?

    2. Are there scenarios where you’d prefer using dopamine/adrenaline over TCP?

    Would love to hear you explanation,
    Nadav

    • Jeff with admin. says

      There maybe scenarios when transcutaneous pacing does not work for a patient. Capture may be unattainable for ineffective to restore adequate perfusion. In this case, you would want to use the dopamine or epinephrine. In my professional opinion, I would always attempt TCP prior to using dopamine or epinephrine.

      Does that make sense? If you have any other questions just let me know.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      There are no recommendations for the use of dopamine and epinephrine (for rate control) to be used together with TCP. There may be times when dopamine or epinephrine could be used to improve blood pressure. In these cases, the dosing for blood pressure control would be different than the dosing used for heart rate control.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

      • Jeff with admin. says

        The dosing for an epinephrine infusion to control blood pressure is typically 0.1-0.5 mcg/kg per min. (In 70 kg adult: 7-35 mcg per min)

        This is in contrast to the dosing of an epinephrine infusion for heart rate control which is 2-10 mcg/min

        Kind regards,
        Jeff

      • Ante Santic says

        Hi Jeff,
        if I need give epinephrine 2-10 mcg/min or dopamine 2-20 mcg/kg/min infusion with how much NS (I guess with NS) will dilute. And how long we need give infusion.

        Best regards

      • Jeff with admin. says

        IV infusion for bradycardia:

        Epinephrine: 1mg epinephrine is mixed with 500ml of NS or D5W. The infusion should run at 2-10 mcg/min and titrate to the patient’s response.

        Dopamine: 400 mg dopamine is mixed with 250 ml NS. Begin the dopamine infusion at 2 to 20 mcg/kg/min and titrate to the patient’s response.

  7. Larissa says

    Hi Jeff let me know if it is right approach for symptomatic bradycardia, to apply transcutaneous pace maker to patient who’s permanent pacemaker is malfunctioning and is occasionally not capturing when fires . Is it going to be a some kind of conflict between external and internal pacemakers?
    Thank you. Larissa

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You can TCP right over the malfunctioning pacemaker and then get ahold of the manufacturer as soon as possible. Once the external pacemaker has captured and is providing the electoral impulse for the heart, the internal pacemaker should stop sensing the need to fire.

      Just make sure that you do not pace the pacing patches directly over the internal pacemaker.

      Kind Regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Worst case scenario, atropine when given low dose can have a paradoxical effect and exacerbate bradycardia.

      Best case scenario, the dose of atropine will not be high enough to increase the heart rate.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  8. Kelly says

    Do you administer the dopamine and epinephrine infusions simultaneously after giving atropine? Or is it an either/or decision?

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