Atrial fibrillation | ACLS-Algorithms.com

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  1. Joyce says

    The difference between a flutter and a fib when looking at a EKG strip is that a flutter have p waves and a fibs don’t have p waves? I have trouble reading and differencing the two rhythm on a strip. Thank you.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Atrial FIBRILLATION, you will not see any p-waves. You may some a wavy line, but you should not see anything that resembles a consistent wave.
      Atrial FLUTTER, you will see some characteristic flutter waves at a regular rate of 240 to 440 beats per minute. Individual flutter waves may be symmetrical, resembling p-waves, or may be asymmetrical with a “sawtooth” shape, rising gradually and falling abruptly or vice versa.
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  2. Christine says

    I’m a medic student just beginning my cardiology section… I see an algorithm for Sinus Tach and Sinus Brady, but do you have an algorithm for A-Fib and A-Flutter as well?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      On the site I do try and stick with ACLS as taught through the AHA ACLS provider manual.
      Atrial Fibrillation and Atrial Flutter are handled within ACLS when they are symptomatic which is usually due to a rapid ventricular rate. For the purposes of ACLS, these rhythms are handled using the tachycardia algorithm. The treatment for stable atrial fibrillation and atrial flutter is beyond the scope of the site and also beyond the scope of ACLS.
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  3. johnYPQ says

    After reading all this i am getting if you come accross a patient in non controlled A-Fib for more than 48 hrs

    if the patient is stable get them to a medical facility

    if they are considered unstable and you must intervene before EMS arrives, then take the chance, cardiovert 100 J, then ?????

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If EMS has not arrived, there will be no way to perform cardioversion. An AED is not capable of performing cardioversion. The AED will say no shock advised if it does not see VT or VF.
      If EMS is present in a scenario with unstable A-fib it would be advised to communicate with the dispatch for instructions on treatment. There is a high likelihood of causing a stroke if the patient has had uncontrolled atrial fibrillation for longer than 48 hours.
      Most likely, folks with a-fib are going to have symptoms that will take them to the hospital before they are unstable.
      In summary, your best option is to seek expert advice through dispatch before intervention.
      Kind regards, Jeff

  4. Punky104 says

    I am new to ACLS. A-FIB with RVR looked alot like the monitor strip of SVT where the P waves were buried in the QRS.And with the heart rate being so fast in both cases, unless the irregular rate of A-FIB is blatantly irregular, is there another way to differentiate between the two when looking at a monitor?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You will usually be able to recognize the irregular rate seen with A-fib + RVR and this is the easiest way to differentiate the two. After you see several of them, it gets a bit easier. However, there are times (very rapid rate) when you may not be able to tell the difference. Technically, SVT and Atrial Fibrillation with RVR are both Supra-ventricular arrhythmias and can be treated as such. Giving adenosine for either one would slow the heart rate down and allow you to see what is going on (p-waves or no p-waves).
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  5. cooten says

    so you cardiovert a-flutter at 50 – 100 J and a-fib is cardioverted at 120 – 200 j, but when stable and tachy they can both be treated with cardizam?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If the a-fib or a-flutter is causing a rapid ventricular rate then, yes, giving cardizem and also getting a cardiology consult would be a good choice in most cases. 
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  6. Danny Lambert says

    Jeff, I’m wondering what to due with AF and a vent. rate of, say, 150 creating an unstable patient AND the patients rhythm present for 3-4 days w/o anti-coagulation.

    Your suggestions.

    Thanks!!

    Danny

    • Jeff with admin. says

      I would suggest performing an STAT TEE (trans-esophageal echocardiogram) to rule out thrombus. Once thrombus is ruled out, I would cardiovert.
      You could also start a infusion of a calcium channel blocker (Cardizem) which would hopefully have a slowing effect on the heart. It would also be appropriate to start some type of anti-coagulant (Heparin Sodium).

  7. kim tane says

    but is it ok to cardiovert a person that is over 48hr (say 3days) if the person is already on warfarin?
    and when you use the term ‘cardioverson’, does that actually mean ‘syncronised cardioverson’ or a ‘synchronised shock’?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      For unstable afib or flutter, you would need to take this into consideration:

      “Two strategies have evolved to prevent
      stroke after cardioversion. In patients with
      atrial fibrillation for longer than 48 hours, the
      conventional approach is to give anticoagulants
      for at least 3 weeks before and for 4 weeks
      after cardioversion.3–5 A newer approach, used
      for the past 10 years, is to use transesophageal
      echocardiography (TEE) to guide the decision
      about when to perform cardioversion: TEE is
      used to rule out the presence of left atrial
      thrombi before cardioversion, thus permitting
      cardioversion sooner and with a shorter period
      of anticoagulation before cardioversion.”

      Quoted from: http://ccjm.org/content/69/9/713.full.pdf

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You can enlarge the screen but clicking on the expand icon in the lower right hand corner of the video viewer for each video. This will take the screen to the largest size.
      With regard to A-fib. You may not be able to see the fibrillation and this is true in real time on a monitor. A-fib. Is recognizable because of the irregular rate and lack of p-waves. More often an a-flutter rhythm will be visible. I hope this makes sense.
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  8. kathleen gregory says

    Is it possible to go “in and out” of a-fib thereby forming atrial clots? Then along comes someone that decides to cardiovert without an echo, etc. I guess if they’re circling the drain you have to cardiovert. Agree with s.levine though

    • Jeff with admin. says

      When the onset is a longer period of time, blood clots can form in the circulatory system due to the pooling of blood in the atria of the heart. Cardioversion should only occur if the patient is unstable and it is not possible to perform an echo. Otherwise, consult an expert and get an echo. Jeff

  9. Jeff with admin. says

    Hi Tinisans,
    The comment from S. Levine meant that the atrial fibrillation was onset of greater than 48 hours.
    When the onset is a longer period of time, blood clots can form in the circulatory system due to the pooling of blood in the atria of the heart.
    Hope this helps you understanding
    Kind Regards,

    Jeff
    acls-algorithms.com

  10. s. levine says

    Be very careful about cardioverting afib more than 48 hours old without anticoagulant therapy for fear of creating emboli that cause MI or stroke

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