2020 Bradycardia algorithm review | ACLS-Algorithms.com

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  1. lilpeanut226 says

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  2. itsKevin says

    Why do some resources(AHA) state that you can give atropine in second degree type 2 and Third degree block? Then in the same resource it states because of lack of vagal innervation it will not work and possibly make a block worse. Doesn’t seem very cut and dry to me. Which is correct. Let me ask you. If you were taking care of a patient in complete heart block would you attempt to use atropine while waiting for TCP/chronotropes? Honestly I am sure it wouldn’t take any longer to start TCP/chronotropes than give atropine but lets just say that for some reason that your one crash cart is unavailable and you are awaiting another defibrillator/pacer from another floor in the hospital.
    Thanks,
    Kevin

    • Chris with admin. says

      I think the reason they do this is because there is not enough evidence and
      the recommendations are based on expert consensus. If a patient is having an
      MI and you increase their heart rate, you may make the MI worse. If it was
      me, I would go to pacing if it was readily available. A lot of folks would
      probably push atropine. I bet most cardiologists would opt for pacing.
      Kind regards, Chris

  3. Jessica says

    In my ACLS review they stated, “IV epi and IV dopamine are preferred over transcutaneous pacing when Atropine is ineffective”. I’m confused, because everything else I read seems to indicate you should move right to TCP if Atropine is ineffective. Can you clarify the recommendations?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Here is what the AHA ACLS provider manual states pg. 163:
      “For symptomatic bradycardia, the AHA now recommends IV infusion of chronotropic agents (dopamine or epinephrine) as an equally effective alternative to external transcutaneous pacing when atropine is ineffective.

      The wording “equally effective alternative” would be the most important language in the statement. It does not say “preferred.” I would say that the statement that epinephrine and dopamine would be “preferred” would be incorrect.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Atropine can be used but it may be ineffective because atropine’s affect is at the SA node. These blocks occur at the AV node.
      There may be some action at the AV-node with atropine, but the effect will be negligible and typically not therapeutic. Atropine in most cases will not hurt the patient in with 3rd degree block unless they are unstable and you delay pacing to give atropine.
      However, the major reason why you would not want to give it is because of the risk of worsening already existing myocardial ischemia as is common with a new onset of 2nd degree block Type 2 or complete heart block.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  4. Paul says

    If the patient is severely symptomatic do you forgo atropine in favor of TCP? or is it always indicated to try atropine first. Not asking in regards to “real life” scenarios but more of a “how to answer a test question” scenario.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      In the case of a severely symptomatic patient, the use of TCP should not be delayed. If you can give atropine without delaying the use of TCP it is ok to give it. for a scenario, I would say something like “While the TCP is being prepared, I am going to give 0.5mg of atropine.”

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  5. DsT says

    In regards to Dopamine; In one of the previous ACLS textbooks there was mention of the 2-5 mcg dose was no longer recommended due to lack of data, etc. It advised that the new dose range is 5-20 mcg/kg/min. In the newer texts, I no longer find a reference of this, and the recommended dose continues to be 2-20 mcg, even though we will not be using the 2-5 mcg range.

    Any insight of an upcoming change?

    Thanks!

    • Jeff with admin. says

      Since at least 2008, the dosing recommendation for chemical pacing using bradycardia has been 2-10 mcg/kg/min. I am not aware of any changes from the 2-10 mcg/kg/min dosing.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

    • Jeff with admin. says

      There is really no max. You keep going up until you get capture and then if your machine allows, you go up 2 milliamperes.
      It is interesting you asked that question. I actually discussed this very thing yesterday with a cardiologist at the Hospital I work at.
      Usually capture will occur between 30-50 milliamperes. You can go higher if needed.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

      • Jessica says

        Why is it recommended to increase 2 mA following 100 % capture. In Aehlert’s 2012 ACLS study guide it simply just states doing so, without explanation. My guess is to maintain threshold?

        Thanks!

      • Jeff with admin. says

        This practice is recommended to ensure that the threshold of capture is met and exceeded. Just for your own information, many pacemakers go in increments in 5 or 10 mA, and you may have to set the pacemaker at 5 to 10 mA above capture.
        Kind regards,
        Jeff

  6. Mateo says

    What if you had a sinus brady STEMI or a bradycardic rhythm that showed ST elevation on a 3 lead monitor? I have always heard that Pacing a STEMI could actually cause too much stress to the already starving for oxygen heart and put the patient into arrest. Is this true or fallacy?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If you have symptomatic bradycardia with STEMI, you would be ok to pace but keep the rate at around 60 or less. The object would be to keep the rate as low as possible to maintain adequate perfusion. Any intervention may increase oxygen consumption of the heart. This type of patient should receive coronary intervention as soon as possible. You would also start anticoagulation therapy, control pain with nitro and morphine, and provide coronary intervention as soon as possible.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  7. jprosen1 says

    If the TCP is not available, do you keep giving the atropine up to 3 mg or go for the pressors.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If TCP is not available you would attempt chemical pacing with a epinephrine drip or a dopamine drip according to the bradycardia AHA ACLS protocol.
      You could continue use of atropine along with the drip if the rate does not improve.

      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  8. HAI says

    hi
    I want to know if you continue with Atropine when it has has failed to alleviate symptomatic bradycardia and TCP has been initiated.

  9. Corey says

    When do you pace? do you pace for every kind of bradychardia when the heart rate is low, or only certain ones?

    • Jeff with admin. says

      You will use transcutaneous pacing if the patient has symptomatic bradycardia and atropine has not been effective for improving the heart rate and symptoms.
      Any am symptomatic bradycardia can be paced.
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

  10. Malachi Shane Cole says

    At what point during severe bradycardia do you start CPR? Is it always once you lose a pulse or would you start it at say 15 or 20 bpm? Just curious because I was told the other day by a nurse it was policy at her hospital to start CPR if atropine is not successful and the HR dropped below 20 BPM until epi or dop drips arrive or TCP arrives. Thank you

    • Jeff with admin. says

      AHA has no specific set pulse at which to start CPR for the bradycardia algorithm. Clinical judgment of the situation should dictate what interventions are performed. Of primary importance is adequate perfusion of the vital organs. Signs and symptoms should direct your course of action.

      The policy that you mention sounds reasonable. If the patient is having serious symptoms, atropine has failed, and you do not have the means to pace whether with drugs or with electricity then CPR could be warranted.

      If you have the means to pace that would be the next appropriate intervention.
      Kind regards,
      Jeff

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