ACLS drugs for Bradycardia | ACLS-Algorithms.com

Comments

  1. karen says

    Just wondering……..Here’s the scenario….Pt on vent, started desatting, 70’s, then hr 26, called code.
    I asked for atropine, but they gave epi, then started dopamine gtt. Why not atrpoine first?> They never gave atropine so I was wondering have the guidelines changed?> Pplease respond. BtW, we lost the patient.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      It would be nice to know what the pateint’s diagnosis was, but that is o.k.

      It sounds like the code was caused by a respiratory issue (dislodged ET tube, mucus plug, or pulmonary embolus).

      AHA rule #1 is tailor the interventions around the cause of the arrest which in this case seems to be respiratory in nature.

      The patient’s oxygen saturation decreased into the 70’s and then the patient developed bradycardia most likely related to the hypoxia.

      ET tube placement should have been checked by auscultation. After this, the patient should have been suctioned, placed on 100% oxygen, and ventilated with a bag valve mask.

      Questions:
      1.Did anyone auscultate this lung sounds to check ET tube placement?
      2.Did he get switched to a bag valve mask?
      3.Did the patient have good rise and fall of the chest with ventilation?

      If all of this was done properly and a respiratory cause was ruled out or not effective (i.e., no positive move of the oxygen saturation, improvement in pt. condition) and bradycardia occurred then atropine would have been appropriate according to AHA guidelines.

      After atropine, transcutaneous pacing would have been reasonable if the bradycardia was sustained and not degrading into asystole or PEA.

      Epinephrine IV push does diverge away from the bradycardia algorithm, but would have most likely produced a similar effect to atropine (increase heart rate).

      Epinephrine drip is appropriate as a drug replacement for TCP.

      The only problem is if the patient’s arrest was caused by a respiratory issue and you give atropine or epinephrine (increase heart rate) then you actually can make the problem worse by increasing oxygen demand on the heart.

      Always tailor the interventions around the cause of the arrest. The algorithm diagrams merely represent the most common pathway for treatment of arrest conditions.

      This sounds like a respiratory issue and should have been treated as such.

      I hope this answers your question adequately.
      Please let me know if you have any other questions.

      Kind regards, Jeff

  2. dma213 says

    you know, this is much better and easier to understand, has all the info in the book but much easier to follow…
    so glad i joined 🙂

  3. rannie says

    Hi,
    what about the other drugs used in the ACS or Stroke (eg Verapamil, Nitroprusside etc) which are not elaborated in your site and neither in the ACLS book? Will they ask questions about them as well or is it enough to know about the common drugs used in your site?

  4. Ahmad hosnee says

    Do you think that atropine not recommended for complete heart block as its a distal conductive system impairment that make the increased SA node impulses useless ?
    So ventricular pacing becomes the first choice.

    • Jeff with admin. says

      If the complete heart block is a result of a distal conductive system impairment then the atropine would be ineffective and could even complicate things by increasing myocardial oxygen demand. If it is clear that the complete block is not associated with an MI, atropine can be given while waiting for pacing to be initiated. It may be effective for a High Purkinje or AV Nodal escape rhythm. —-Kind regards, Jeff

  5. Donna Prochaska says

    Some of the comments/answers are very helpful. This is also my first time, and this site has helped a great deal. The hardest for me, is to learn the strips, and like sites that continuously run strips. Thanks again.

  6. Jennie Williams says

    I am going to go back and read up on this again but if I can’t find it, can you remind me why atropine is not effective for Mobitz type II/Second Degree Block Type 2 but it IS effective in 2nd degree Wenckebach? Since they are both a result of SA node dysfunction (if I remember correctly), I am struggling to understand why it will be effective in one but not the other. Your input would be greatly appreciated. 🙂

    • Jeff with admin. says

      It’s not so much that the Atropine won’t work with a Mobitz II. In fact it
      will probably increase the HR, but this will induce more ischemia as the HR
      will double or triple, reducing diastolic filling time and worsening
      coronary perfusion. Mobitz II is almost always associated with myocardial
      infarction. You would like to keep the HR slow (50-60) to increase diastolic
      filling time. Anytime you increase HR, the diastolic filling time is what
      takes the biggest hit. Mobitz I is not usually associated with MI.

      The comment “Since they are both a result of SA Node dysfunction” is
      incorrect. The SA node is intact in both Mobitz I & II. It is the AV node
      that is having problems conducting the impulse down to the Bundle Branches.

      Transcutaneous Pacing should be the first line in Mobitz II. It is very safe
      & less painful than in previous times due to technology improvements.
      Research has shown that most individuals can tolerate > 15min of
      transcutaneous pacing without too much difficulty.

  7. afsane says

    ur structures r great..thanks alot..
    i just wanted 2 know that atropin has chronotropic effect or inotropic?
    and in sympthomatic bradycardia , which agent is effective? positive chronotropic or inotropic?
    thank u…

  8. David Dunscombe says

    I have yet to see a negative comment, as you can see I have logged a lot of hrs. and learned a great deal, first time for taking this course, so need the time and great instruction.

  9. dr john cardozo says

    Hey this is a great site
    Kindly expedite these pages underconstruction
    Waiting anxiously to read these pages
    Keep up the good work

  10. Tracy Pickett says

    Hi, Im 5th semester student RN and I LOVE your site…Im precepting soon in CCU and any drug info. is greatly appreciated, any info at all to help me remember! God Bless!

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

I accept the Privacy Policy